{"id":26636,"date":"2015-12-15T18:41:55","date_gmt":"2015-12-15T17:41:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.sleek-mag.com\/?p=26636"},"modified":"2015-12-15T18:41:55","modified_gmt":"2015-12-15T17:41:55","slug":"coming-down-on-ibiza-with-tobias-tehberger-douglas-gordon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.sleek-mag.com\/de\/article\/coming-down-on-ibiza-with-tobias-tehberger-douglas-gordon\/","title":{"rendered":"Coming Down auf Ibiza mit Tobias Rehberger & Douglas Gordon"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\nSex and death, Eros and Thanatos, dominate Douglas Gordon and Tobias Rehberger\u2019s collaborative exhibition \u201cAfter the After\u201d at the Museu d\u2019Art Contemporani d\u2019Eivissa (MACE) in Ibiza. And yes, the title refers to the comedown that follows the after-party, a time of \u201cparanoia and emptiness\u201d.\u00a0 The artists, friends and long-time collaborators, want to rehabilitate Ibiza as a refuge for renegades and bohemians \u2013 much\u00a0 as it was during the decades of Franco\u2019s dictatorship. While Rehberger is a long-time Ibiza aficionado, Gordon is a recent convert who\u2019s settling in by making honey from his own bees. Together they are showing the island a little bit of punk attitude as they create art for the exhibition, and collaborate by reworking and remaking each other\u2019s pieces.
\nAnd while some residents and partygoers on the island may be familiar with their work, others might need an introduction: Rehberger is a Golden-Lion winning sculptor and the current vice-chancellor of the St\u00e4delschule in Frankfurt. Gordon is a native Glaswegian who has previously won the Turner and the Hugo Boss prizes, and currently resides in Berlin, where he has a large studio adorned with taxidermy. Both artists\u2019 work is heavily collaborative and has little interest in traditional notions of authorship: while Gordon stretches time and medium in his appropriated films, Rehberger lends his hand to anything from cars to restaurants. In between setting up their exhibition, they talked to Sleek about collaboration, Ibiza and their personal \u201cAfter the After\u201d.
\nTaken from Sleek 48<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

\"Study Study for S\u00e9bastien Tobias Rehberger & Douglas Gordon, Lifshitz, Presque Rien, 2000\/2015, copyright the artists<\/p>\n

Sleek: The exhibition is about comedowns, and, as you\u2019ve said elsewhere, \u201cHedonism, parties and decadence and their after-point.\u201d Can you elaborate?<\/strong> \nDouglas Gordon: We\u2019re inhabiting an island which has something special, and it needs people like Tobias and me to twist it a little bit, because we\u2019re not normal. During the Franco era this was the place for free spirits and free thinkers. So it\u2019s not by chance that Tobias has been coming here for years, and I suppose what we\u2019re trying to do here is get people \u2018thinking free\u2019 again, as generations of people that once lived here did before.
\nTobias Rehberger: The MACE, where we\u2019re exhibiting, is the oldest museum of contemporary
\nart in Spain. During the Sixties, Franco didn\u2019t want to have it in Madrid, so they put it here so that it would be \u2018invisible\u2019. When we were on the island for a holiday last year we walked past it and thought, \u201cWouldn\u2019t it be good to do a show here?\u201d
\nDG: Yeah, and the show\u2019s quite punk, too, but in the way that baroque music was punk because it created an opportunity for music to be presented to a general audience. We\u2019re giving things to this island that it\u2019s never had before. Do you know the Orson Welles movie, \u201cF for Fake\u201d? It\u2019s a film about an art faker and a dealer, and it\u2019s set in Ibiza in the 1960\u2019s. It\u2019s one of the most punk films I\u2019ve ever seen.
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\nWe\u2019ll have to put that on our playlist. However, don’t most people treat partying and hedonism as a release rather than as a way to intellectualise?
\n<\/strong>DG: Forget partying! I\u2019m a hedonist and I like to party, but they\u2019re completely different things. I think that people who come to Ibiza are generally hedonists: they can party if they want to, but Tobias and I want to offer them something else. That\u2019s the thing about so-called hedonism: it’s fine to be hedonistic as long as you let the tears fall into your hand. I think it\u2019s very important to be able to wander about this island and be confronted by something that might make you think about what you did yesterday and what you might do tomorrow.
\nYou\u2019re working with billboards and outdoor installations as well, extending the exhibition into the island.
\n<\/strong>DG: The museum is virtually invisible, and we want to take the museum into the island, and the island into the museum, so to speak, because that\u2019s the way we work. We wanted to get Ibiza moving by giving people something to think about.
\nSo it\u2019s an exercise in reflection and assessment?
\nTR: As great as the energy is here, it somehow goes in strange directions, and we thought that it would be good to show an edgier side to it.<\/p>\n

\"Douglas Douglas Gordon, Sleep, 2015, copyright Studio lost but found and VG Bild-Kunst, Bonn 2015<\/p>\n

\"Trying Tobias rehberger & Douglas Gordon, Trying to understand himself, 2015 Copyright the artists, studio lost but found, studio Rehberger, VG Bild-Kunst, Bonn 2015<\/p>\n

What\u2019s it like working together?<\/strong> \nDG: We worked a lot with each other 20 years ago and this is the first time we\u2019ve made it public. Honestly, I think my credibility level has shot back up.
\nTR: The show is about what kind of relationship you can have with another artist’s work, and how your own work reflects on the other\u2019s work, which is integral to our art practice, too.
\nDG: Yeah, and the dynamic between us is the same as making dinner for someone else: sometimes you have to politely ask for a little more pepper, but you never tell someone to \u201cget back into the kitchen and cook me a steak, bitch!\u201d
\nThe exhibition is staged around two key works. The first is Tobias\u2019s \u201cPresque Rien\u201d, which is a large tiled mural of two men fucking on the exterior of the museum, and is based on the gay coming of age film of the same name by the French director S\u00e9bastien Lifshitz. The second is a film of the men\u2019s moving legs by Douglas. Indeed, many of the pieces in this exhibition seem to be remakes of these two, which reflects the general theme of decay, sorrow and loss. Other than the film, what inspired you to take this approach?
\n<\/strong>TR: We started out with the idea that as an artist, you sometimes think about your colleagues’ practices and imagine what it would be like if they did this or that in their next work. So telling each other what kind of work we should make was our starting point. From there it grew and took on different levels of collaboration and reflection. The Lifshitz work, the mural, began like this. Douglas asked me to remake my favourite piece of his from memory. He then remade his version and from there it just spiralled.<\/p>\n

\"Tobias Tobias Rehberger, B-Movie (club version), 2015 Single channel video installation without sound 35 x 45 cm Courtesy neugerriemschneider, Berlin Copyright Tobias Rehberger<\/p>\n

\"\" Douglas Gordon<\/p>\n

\"\" Tobias Rehberger<\/p>\n

You also used Douglas\u2019s study of a dying fly , 1995\u2019s \u201cB-Movie\u201d, as the basis for another reworking called \u201cLife\u201d, which features\u00a0 a bronze cast of a hand festooned with fly corpses. Tobias then made the piece \u201cB-Movie \u2013 Club Version\u201d.
\n<\/strong>DG: Yeah, it\u2019s been a great experience. One of the things that Tobi and I love doing is eating, and this is why I was using the idea of dinner as a metaphor. It was like, \u201cCould you please make me that dish that you made me 5 years ago, but with a little less nutmeg in it?\u201d
\nThe exhibition is called \u201cAfter the After\u201d. What is your comedown routine?<\/strong> \nDG: I usually just go home and cry and lose something, perhaps a little bit of my work or a telephone or something. Tears usually end up falling.
\nInterview by Jeni Fulton<\/strong> \nPortraits by Lottermann and Fuentes<\/strong> \nMehr: \u2018CO-WORKERS’: This Show in Paris Signals the Death of Binaries<\/a><\/strong> \nMehr: 5 Trends We Saw at Art Basel Miami Beach 2015<\/a><\/strong><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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And yes, the title refers to the comedown that follows the after-party, a time of \u201cparanoia and emptiness\u201d.\u00a0 The artists, friends and long-time collaborators, want to rehabilitate Ibiza as…<\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":26671,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_kad_post_transparent":"","_kad_post_title":"","_kad_post_layout":"","_kad_post_sidebar_id":"","_kad_post_content_style":"","_kad_post_vertical_padding":"","_kad_post_feature":"","_kad_post_feature_position":"","_kad_post_header":false,"_kad_post_footer":false,"_kad_post_classname":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[11856,139],"tags":[38,422,514,3700,3701],"class_list":["post-26636","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-sleek-art","category-art","tag-art","tag-douglas-gordon","tag-jeni-fulton","tag-lottermann-and-fuentes","tag-tobias-rehberger"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"\nComing Down on Ibiza with Tobias Rehberger & Douglas Gordon Coming Down on Ibiza with Tobias Rehberger & Douglas Gordon<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sleek-mag.com\/de\/article\/coming-down-on-ibiza-with-tobias-tehberger-douglas-gordon\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"de_DE\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Coming Down on Ibiza with Tobias Rehberger & Douglas Gordon Coming Down on Ibiza with Tobias Rehberger & Douglas Gordon\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Sex and death, Eros and Thanatos, dominate Douglas Gordon and Tobias Rehberger\u2019s collaborative exhibition \u201cAfter the After\u201d at the Museu d\u2019Art Contemporani d\u2019Eivissa (MACE) in Ibiza. 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